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Pentjak Silat is still very small in the United States, so if anyone is interested in learning about it, I'll do my best to answer. In general, I would describe it as a hard style with many internal elements and short, efficient movements. We train with both weapons and empty hands, and some movements are drawn from animal systems. Ground fighting is included, and multiple attackers are assumed. The mood is relaxed and friendly (we call it "playing"), though respect is important. The focus is on how to move rather than learning a series of techniques, though we do have a small number of short forms to emphasize ways of moving.
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Re: Overview -- questions welcome
Mon, November 17, 2003 - 8:18 PMYeah well u guys don't seem serious about ur silat tribe. So i guess u guys aren't real silat people. I lived in indonesia and did real silat so..... -
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Fri, August 25, 2006 - 3:36 PMlmao have a bad day? -
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Sun, August 27, 2006 - 1:40 PMNot to worry; that post is three years old. Guy's either wandered off or grown up, hopefully. -
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Mon, August 28, 2006 - 10:27 AMHadn't noticed that... :P
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 7:48 AMI like your picture where did you get it ? Or who made it for you?
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Thu, September 14, 2006 - 7:46 AMSilat rocks......
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Re: Overview -- questions welcome
Tue, March 14, 2006 - 11:59 AM--->>>Overview -- questions welcome
Pentjak Silat is still very small in the United States, so if anyone is interested in learning about it, I'll do my best to answer. In general, I would describe it as a hard style with many internal elements and short, efficient movements. We train with both weapons and empty hands, and some movements are drawn from animal systems. Ground fighting is included, and multiple attackers are assumed. The mood is relaxed and friendly (we call it "playing"), though respect is important. The focus is on how to move rather than learning a series of techniques, though we do have a small number o... show more
Pentjak Silat is still very small in the United States, so if anyone is interested in learning about it, I'll do my best to answer. In general, I would describe it as a hard style with many internal elements and short, efficient movements. We train with both weapons and empty hands, and some movements are drawn from animal systems. Ground fighting is included, and multiple attackers are assumed. The mood is relaxed and friendly (we call it "playing"), though respect is important. The focus is on how to move rather than learning a series of techniques, though we do have a small number of short forms to emphasize ways of moving. <<<---
So, are these "short forms" like other styles kata? Or are they more like jiujitzu techniques where the movement is the kata/form? I just picked up a book on Gayong. It looks like the latter in the since of forms.
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Tue, March 14, 2006 - 6:25 PMThe pentjak silat short forms or "djurus" can be equated to kata in a general sense, but whereas kata strike me as scenario driven, djurus tend to be smaller movements that you can build from. Usually the practice of rote repetition is an excercise in building muscle memory for these moves. They can then of course be strung together and when they are performed in series like that they can resemble kata fairly closely but are more 'freeform.' My teacher refers to them as "playbooks" rather than forms. Depending on the style, individual djurus can vary from a single, small movemment to a sequence longer, fluid movements. Usually the actual application of the djurus is not always immediately apparent.
I also have a book on Silat Seni Gayong and if it is the same book that you have (the one that I have has a predominately green cover) then I don't recall any djurus explained in it. It contains mostly sambuts or applications. Very good book though. -
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Tue, March 14, 2006 - 7:49 PMI think we have the same book! I also have Karambit which I believe have djurus. I noticed that some of the sites I've seen have floor stepping patterns layed out with tape. Where do you recommend I get the various stepping/stance patterns? Are they integrated into the djurus?
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 1:40 PMTypically djurus primarily refer to upper-body structures only or are done with a linear step. The movements of the legwork structures that you have seen are called 'langkah' (literally meaning "step") and depending on where you study they can consist of just the stepping or include the djurus as well. In styles where the djurus and langkah are seperate they are still combined later, but in those cases typically this is a seperate excercise. (ie Some arts learn hand/upper body movements and then combine them while learning legwork and some systems learn hand/upper body movements, then legwork and *then* combine the two).
The different patterns mapped out on the floor are referred to as a 'pantjar,' or alternately 'pancar' (meaning "platform") and vary from system to system. Some arts have none and others have several different ones. They are usually intrinsic to learning a system so the best way I could recommend obtaining them is to begin learning a system. Offhand I don't know of any pentjak silat systems that have them available in print or to download to non-members, which makes sense as the actual pattern wouldn't be much use if you didn't know the structures that go along with it.
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 7:57 PMThanks Pete!
I've heard that Pentjak Silat includes animal forms? Do you know where I can get my hands on DVDs or videos for those? I bought a whole series from Black Belt magazine which had the guy doing katas and he spoke about advanced animal patterns. That's why I'm curious.
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Wed, March 15, 2006 - 9:56 PMSelamat SA,
Since the Indonesian archipelago and Malay peninsula consist of hundreds of islands and remote regions, hundreds of drastically differing styles of pentjak silat have developed over time. Some of these many different styles of Pentjak Silat do indeed contain "animal forms" or styles, some do not. They are not *usually* complete systems in themselves (like many of the Chinese animal styles are) but usually subsets of larger systems and frequntly merely apply to specific techniques so usually they require the studying of that larger system in order to learn the various subsets. Also the many different styles can have a completely different take on things, so for instance the 'harimau,' or tiger style (usually the most prominent animal style in the pentjak silat genre) of one system could look absolutely nothing like the harimau techniques of another. Unfortunately for most of us, the vast majority of pentjak silat arts are not available for study outside of Indonesia or Malaysia. So it can be difficult to be in a position to "shop around" for an art that fits any given individual.
If your interest is fighting efficiency might I suggest determining what type of fighter you are and then look for a system that suits your individual strengths as a martial artist rather than primarily looking for one that teaches "animal forms" since most "animal" style labels are usually just a method to categorize movements suited to a specific fighting style
If your interest is more artistic or culturally motivated, there's nothing wrong with that. There are many styles of pentjak silat that focus on beautiful, fluid motions very well suited to performance. However, I would still suggest looking around a bit and find a style that you find aesthetically to your taste. Again, the different styles all approach things very differently, so it is better to have an idea of what you want to get out of your art before choosing what to study.
As far as DVDs and videos that focus on the animal aspects I confess that I havent viewed any that I can personally recommend but I am sure there are plenty out there. I know the Pentjak Silat Cimande Pusaka group are pretty big on the animal totems so that might be a decent place to start. Personally I don't recommend training in an art off of a DVD or from only a book. They work fine as great introductions and often as reference material for arts you are already studying, but you can often miss very important aspects of training by trying to learn too much new stuff from them without personal instruction not to mention not having a source to correct any mistakes that you might have accidentally picked up.
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Thu, March 16, 2006 - 7:27 AMTotally agree with not trying to learn from a DVD/Tape however, I've been studying other arts for about 30 years and mainly curious of the techniques and forms. I started off in Uechi Ryu and Goju Ryu and then settled into Pa Kua Chang. I find a lot of similarities between Pencak Silat and Pa Kua. So far, I've bought several books and Torres's Kalasag Kuntao Silat. What are your thoughts on Roberto Torres's - Kalasag Kuntao Silat?
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SA
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